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		<title>By: avi</title>
		<link>http://www.realityprime.com/articles/designer-babies/comment-page-1#comment-24198</link>
		<dc:creator>avi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jody, 

I think your last argument is the best one so far: &quot;do we really know as much as we think we do? What are the unintended consequences of tampering with a system that&#039;s a million years old?&quot; 

I&#039;d suggest going deeper into that and researching all of the things that could happen, biologically, sociologically (if we have lots of people who are/aren&#039;t modified -- see Gattica for inspiration), psychologically in terms of the children who do/don&#039;t have modifications...

All of the moral/religious arguments have a fundamental problem: you can do what you believe is right, but how can you tell someone else what to do? Unless what they do hurts society or some individual, it&#039;s their fundamental right to follow their own beliefs. You&#039;d have to show that these activities hurts the kids especially. Unfortunately for you, the parents&#039; motives are the opposite, to help their kids, right or wrong. So you&#039;re back to my first paragraph in terms of advice.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jody, </p>
<p>I think your last argument is the best one so far: &#8220;do we really know as much as we think we do? What are the unintended consequences of tampering with a system that&#8217;s a million years old?&#8221; </p>
<p>I&#8217;d suggest going deeper into that and researching all of the things that could happen, biologically, sociologically (if we have lots of people who are/aren&#8217;t modified &#8212; see Gattica for inspiration), psychologically in terms of the children who do/don&#8217;t have modifications&#8230;</p>
<p>All of the moral/religious arguments have a fundamental problem: you can do what you believe is right, but how can you tell someone else what to do? Unless what they do hurts society or some individual, it&#8217;s their fundamental right to follow their own beliefs. You&#8217;d have to show that these activities hurts the kids especially. Unfortunately for you, the parents&#8217; motives are the opposite, to help their kids, right or wrong. So you&#8217;re back to my first paragraph in terms of advice.</p>
<p>Avi</p>
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		<title>By: jodi</title>
		<link>http://www.realityprime.com/articles/designer-babies/comment-page-1#comment-24192</link>
		<dc:creator>jodi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is what i have now that i started my paragraphs


         Even though we may or may not have the technology to “fix” babies why try to play god? Why try and make the baby a boy or a girl? I don’t see how deciding what your baby is or how they will grow is ok.  I feel it goes against Mother Nature, god, and just life. It’s like the baby would come out perfect and soon no one would really be “normal” anymore. 
        I like it how it is, people shouldn’t be corrected on how they look and if they’re going to be smart or how strong they would be. Why does it really matter if your kid grows up a genius or if their super strong? Shouldn’t that be left to god? Shouldn’t we leave the decisions to the kids anyway? They can grow up and decide for themselves if they want to go into sports or business.
       Also who’s to say it’s going to be a sure fire thing anyway? What if you get the stats that the kid won’t be what you want, and you decide to “fix them up” but, it all goes wrong and the baby mutates or dies? How are you to know that the baby isn’t going to mess up later because of what they’re doing to make the baby better? And, would it even be worth it to change your baby. I know I sure wouldn’t mess around with that stuff. I mean, you don’t know for sure if what they’re doing is safe for the mom either. It could hurt the mom in the process and the baby could be hurt too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is what i have now that i started my paragraphs</p>
<p>         Even though we may or may not have the technology to “fix” babies why try to play god? Why try and make the baby a boy or a girl? I don’t see how deciding what your baby is or how they will grow is ok.  I feel it goes against Mother Nature, god, and just life. It’s like the baby would come out perfect and soon no one would really be “normal” anymore.<br />
        I like it how it is, people shouldn’t be corrected on how they look and if they’re going to be smart or how strong they would be. Why does it really matter if your kid grows up a genius or if their super strong? Shouldn’t that be left to god? Shouldn’t we leave the decisions to the kids anyway? They can grow up and decide for themselves if they want to go into sports or business.<br />
       Also who’s to say it’s going to be a sure fire thing anyway? What if you get the stats that the kid won’t be what you want, and you decide to “fix them up” but, it all goes wrong and the baby mutates or dies? How are you to know that the baby isn’t going to mess up later because of what they’re doing to make the baby better? And, would it even be worth it to change your baby. I know I sure wouldn’t mess around with that stuff. I mean, you don’t know for sure if what they’re doing is safe for the mom either. It could hurt the mom in the process and the baby could be hurt too.</p>
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		<title>By: Avi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jodi, I&quot;ll tell you what, if you write out your objections to designer babies in a fairly clear and consise form and post it here, I&#039;d be happy to comment on them, if that helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jodi, I&#8221;ll tell you what, if you write out your objections to designer babies in a fairly clear and consise form and post it here, I&#8217;d be happy to comment on them, if that helps.</p>
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		<title>By: nicole</title>
		<link>http://www.realityprime.com/articles/designer-babies/comment-page-1#comment-23307</link>
		<dc:creator>nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im completely neutral with designer babies there are good things but also bad things</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im completely neutral with designer babies there are good things but also bad things</p>
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		<title>By: RealityPrime Designer Babies &#124; Personalized Baby Gifts</title>
		<link>http://www.realityprime.com/articles/designer-babies/comment-page-1#comment-20224</link>
		<dc:creator>RealityPrime Designer Babies &#124; Personalized Baby Gifts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This chap created an interesting post today on RealityPrime Designer BabiesHere&#8217;s a short outline/groups/picnikers/disc uss/72157613255111357. Flickr Picnikers Group: Holidays Around the World! Stay tuned for more improvements and new features in IntelliJ IDEA 9 (&#8221;Maia&#8221; We often get Picnikers writing in asking for more butterflies and sports shapes! days ago Gosmelltheflowers &#8221; Blog Archive Topics: Inspiration, 2:) Now that the Summer has come to an end, I&#8217;m finding myself missing photography more and more. With the new QOOP integration, Picnikers can effortlessly create anything from a Blog: The most difficult thing to shoot in Kashmir. Published 2/17/2009 by virginia at Picnik Blog. With collages, Picnikers can drag and drop pictures from the Picnik Basket using. Published 10/22/2008 by peter at Picnik Blog. your friends and family, or blog the photos and videos. and 2 grandsons and a new baby girl (born January) in Ottawa 4 days ago. (not my photo) for the Picnik my Pic 16 thread in the picnikers group. Picnik passed [...] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This chap created an interesting post today on RealityPrime Designer BabiesHere&#8217;s a short outline/groups/picnikers/disc uss/72157613255111357. Flickr Picnikers Group: Holidays Around the World! Stay tuned for more improvements and new features in IntelliJ IDEA 9 (&#8221;Maia&#8221; We often get Picnikers writing in asking for more butterflies and sports shapes! days ago Gosmelltheflowers &#8221; Blog Archive Topics: Inspiration, 2:) Now that the Summer has come to an end, I&#8217;m finding myself missing photography more and more. With the new QOOP integration, Picnikers can effortlessly create anything from a Blog: The most difficult thing to shoot in Kashmir. Published 2/17/2009 by virginia at Picnik Blog. With collages, Picnikers can drag and drop pictures from the Picnik Basket using. Published 10/22/2008 by peter at Picnik Blog. your friends and family, or blog the photos and videos. and 2 grandsons and a new baby girl (born January) in Ottawa 4 days ago. (not my photo) for the Picnik my Pic 16 thread in the picnikers group. Picnik passed [...] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: RealityPrime Designer Babies &#124; All For Babies</title>
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		<dc:creator>RealityPrime Designer Babies &#124; All For Babies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Someone I&#8217;ve heard of put an intriguing blog post on RealityPrime Designer BabiesHere&#8217;s a quick excerptWhat parent in the world wouldn&#8217;t wish their baby the greatest success in life? Intelligence, health, longevity. But this is a dangerous time in our history to be driving artificial selection (read: evolution) toward what could easily &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Someone I&#8217;ve heard of put an intriguing blog post on RealityPrime Designer BabiesHere&#8217;s a quick excerptWhat parent in the world wouldn&#8217;t wish their baby the greatest success in life? Intelligence, health, longevity. But this is a dangerous time in our history to be driving artificial selection (read: evolution) toward what could easily &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: avi</title>
		<link>http://www.realityprime.com/articles/designer-babies/comment-page-1#comment-16363</link>
		<dc:creator>avi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_fertilization</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_fertilization" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_fertilization</a></p>
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		<title>By: Avery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 01:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,Could someone explain the IVF to me?thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,Could someone explain the IVF to me?thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Freeman Jackson</title>
		<link>http://www.realityprime.com/articles/designer-babies/comment-page-1#comment-14963</link>
		<dc:creator>Freeman Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please sign my petition and pass it on. This situation has been going on for almost 8 years and it is time for the truth to come out.

http://www.petitiononline.com/ivfrape/petition.html

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

SAVE BABY X

Artificial Insemination used for Immigration &amp; Paternity Fraud and the complete removal of this child&#039;s rights to a father.

Baby X has been stripped of his rights to have a father, by the State of New Jersey and Bergen County Courts, by a malicious plot involving NJ Bergen County Family Court and the corrupt Judge Edward Torack, Dr. Tanmoy Mukherjee, of the Mount Sinai Hospital/Reproductive Medical Center of New York.

Baby X is a victim of a sinister plot by the ruling class to destroy Black Families and Men using the false flag of Child Support system and Women&#039;s Rights. Baby X was created during unauthorized artificial insemination by Dr. Mukherjee and a Black Woman facing deportation for
defrauding a university in New York City. In order to avoid
deportation, Dr. Mukherjee and The Mother of Baby X conspired together to take and illegally use the semen of a Black Male US Citizen in order to perform an artificial insemination, and create an anchor baby. They also conspired to victimize the said Black Male with the
responsibility of Child Support without his consent to an IVF.

During hearings at NJ Bergen County Family Court, Baby X&#039;s Father was able to present a copy of Baby X&#039;s Mother&#039;s immigration records (which should a history of immigration fraud conducted by Baby X&#039;s Mother) and get Baby X&#039;s Mother to admit, under questioning, that she had the
child via Unauthorized Medical Experiment/IVF.

Immediately after clear evidence was presented in the court, that Baby X was created by an via Unauthorized Medical Experiment/IVF for the purposes Immigration Fraud, the Father was completely banned from all
courts and all judges - by the corrupt Judge Edward Torack of NJ Bergen County Family Court.

The court ban against the Father to Baby X includes the denial of the following rights:

1) Ban against a &quot;Request for a DNA test of all parties&quot;
2) Access to appeal &amp; any other judges/courts
3) Ban against visitation between Baby X and Father X.
4) Any modifications to Child Support, including a decrease in income of Father X
5) Any ruling on evidence pertaining to immigration and paternity fraud in the case.

The end result is to totally strip Father X from any rights to the child except to shut up and pay. He did not have a right to say when where and how to have a baby, and he did not have a right to have any representation in court. And therefore the State of New Jersey has stripped Baby X&#039;s right to have a Father!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please sign my petition and pass it on. This situation has been going on for almost 8 years and it is time for the truth to come out.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.petitiononline.com/ivfrape/petition.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.petitiononline.com/ivfrape/petition.html</a></p>
<p>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++</p>
<p>SAVE BABY X</p>
<p>Artificial Insemination used for Immigration &amp; Paternity Fraud and the complete removal of this child&#8217;s rights to a father.</p>
<p>Baby X has been stripped of his rights to have a father, by the State of New Jersey and Bergen County Courts, by a malicious plot involving NJ Bergen County Family Court and the corrupt Judge Edward Torack, Dr. Tanmoy Mukherjee, of the Mount Sinai Hospital/Reproductive Medical Center of New York.</p>
<p>Baby X is a victim of a sinister plot by the ruling class to destroy Black Families and Men using the false flag of Child Support system and Women&#8217;s Rights. Baby X was created during unauthorized artificial insemination by Dr. Mukherjee and a Black Woman facing deportation for<br />
defrauding a university in New York City. In order to avoid<br />
deportation, Dr. Mukherjee and The Mother of Baby X conspired together to take and illegally use the semen of a Black Male US Citizen in order to perform an artificial insemination, and create an anchor baby. They also conspired to victimize the said Black Male with the<br />
responsibility of Child Support without his consent to an IVF.</p>
<p>During hearings at NJ Bergen County Family Court, Baby X&#8217;s Father was able to present a copy of Baby X&#8217;s Mother&#8217;s immigration records (which should a history of immigration fraud conducted by Baby X&#8217;s Mother) and get Baby X&#8217;s Mother to admit, under questioning, that she had the<br />
child via Unauthorized Medical Experiment/IVF.</p>
<p>Immediately after clear evidence was presented in the court, that Baby X was created by an via Unauthorized Medical Experiment/IVF for the purposes Immigration Fraud, the Father was completely banned from all<br />
courts and all judges &#8211; by the corrupt Judge Edward Torack of NJ Bergen County Family Court.</p>
<p>The court ban against the Father to Baby X includes the denial of the following rights:</p>
<p>1) Ban against a &#8220;Request for a DNA test of all parties&#8221;<br />
2) Access to appeal &amp; any other judges/courts<br />
3) Ban against visitation between Baby X and Father X.<br />
4) Any modifications to Child Support, including a decrease in income of Father X<br />
5) Any ruling on evidence pertaining to immigration and paternity fraud in the case.</p>
<p>The end result is to totally strip Father X from any rights to the child except to shut up and pay. He did not have a right to say when where and how to have a baby, and he did not have a right to have any representation in court. And therefore the State of New Jersey has stripped Baby X&#8217;s right to have a Father!</p>
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		<title>By: Ira</title>
		<link>http://www.realityprime.com/articles/designer-babies/comment-page-1#comment-14551</link>
		<dc:creator>Ira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apparently screwed up the HTML code for the URL where I got that quote. The quote appears in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.portlandtribune.com/us_world_news/story.php?story_id=TRE4BB2Z0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this Reuters dispatch&lt;/a&gt;. The Vatican equates IVF as falling &quot;within the sin of abortion&quot;. IVF treats the human embryo as &quot;simply a mass of cells to be used, selected and &lt;b&gt;discarded&lt;/b&gt;.&quot; [&lt;b&gt;Emphasis&lt;/b&gt; added]  The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usccb.org/comm/Dignitaspersonae/Dignitas_Personae.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Catholic Church Statement of Dec. 2008&lt;/a&gt; is long and abstruse.  On page 8 there is a section titled &quot;In vitro fertilization and the deliberate destruction of embryos&quot; - they even condemn IVF when the embryos are destroyed unintentionally or found defective and discarded for that reason.

I want to make it clear I DO NOT agree with most of the Vatican statement and I do favor responsible IVF (implant one or two embryos - not the six that resulted in octuplets recently) .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apparently screwed up the HTML code for the URL where I got that quote. The quote appears in <a href="http://www.portlandtribune.com/us_world_news/story.php?story_id=TRE4BB2Z0" rel="nofollow">this Reuters dispatch</a>. The Vatican equates IVF as falling &#8220;within the sin of abortion&#8221;. IVF treats the human embryo as &#8220;simply a mass of cells to be used, selected and <b>discarded</b>.&#8221; [<b>Emphasis</b> added]  The <a href="http://www.usccb.org/comm/Dignitaspersonae/Dignitas_Personae.pdf" rel="nofollow">Catholic Church Statement of Dec. 2008</a> is long and abstruse.  On page 8 there is a section titled &#8220;In vitro fertilization and the deliberate destruction of embryos&#8221; &#8211; they even condemn IVF when the embryos are destroyed unintentionally or found defective and discarded for that reason.</p>
<p>I want to make it clear I DO NOT agree with most of the Vatican statement and I do favor responsible IVF (implant one or two embryos &#8211; not the six that resulted in octuplets recently) .</p>
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